Friday, December 5, 2008

The Fall of the House of Usher-Fishbowl & Liveblog Session

50 comments:

dgunter said...

HEllo

Anthony D said...

hello

Laurenp said...

Hey

dgunter said...

I got a feeling of that. a person from each genereation has died in the house. that is really wierd for that many people to die in a house that is really creepy. The house reflects ushers personality, because the house was probably a nice house to begin with just like usher was a nice guy but they both went down hill and died in the end

Rach L said...

I think that the hauntedness can't pass through from generation to generation, especially if that's how everyone knows the house as haunted. But, if someone moved into the house not knowing the house was haunted, I don't think that they would make such a big deal of it. More of this condition is just mental, and is in peoples minds. What you say, you will create.

Laurenp said...

I think that the house follows the person that is the "master" or head of it, but I also think that the house has an effect on the people living in is as well. For example after living in the house for a short amount of time the guest began to change because both the house and the host, Usher, were taking a toll on him.

j maes said...

I agree with the person who said "I think that the house was a reflection of Ushers personality" i also believe that it is a reflection of his physical health too. This theory proves to be true at the end when the house collapses and Usher dies

hjohnson said...

I think that a lot of people have died in the house and it effects the people that have lived there...i think their enviornment effects how they act and brainwashes them to act the way the others in the house do.

BridgetL said...

Kelly brought up the house having a haunting affect on people. I think that some good points were made in saying that the house is a lot like Roderick Usher. Both Roderick and the house were run down in appearance. On the inside, the house had a dark, oppressive feel and in Roderick's mind, things aren't right. He's a hypochondriac and I think part of that is because of the house. It has such a strong hold on him because it has stayed in the family for so many years. As the house got more run down, it became a depressing place to be, but Usher couldn't let it go and because of his environment, he went crazy.

Anthony D said...

so do you think because usher is mentaly ill it has a effect on the house, because the house has problems on the inside but not the outside?

M.Washington said...

In my opinion tis was a very hard reading, but at the same time it was a very good reading if that makes since. i believe that he was a strange and demented guy. Not talking to people and just thinking to him self and talking to him self. Thats really creepy.

dgunter said...

why is this fish bowl so lame those people in that lame fish bowl probably didnt come prepared; slackers.

hjohnson said...

I think that it is kind of a situation of mind over matter, like rachael said if someone didn't know the house was haunted they wouldn't be so preoccupied with their thoughts and superstitions.

ASHLEY E said...

I think the real weakness of the house was on the inside,and the inside of the house itself changed the people that were consumed inside it. Also the people you are with and the atmosphere you are around can definitely have an effect on a person.

j maes said...

I believe that the atmosphere of the house is what caused it's inhabbitants to fall ill. The house seems to have somewhat of a supernatural force and power to it. I think that this supernatural power comes from the many generations of Ushers living and dying in the house.

Jennifer M C said...

I agree with a few people from the inner circle that the house reflects Usher's personality because they are both kind of mysterious and deteriorating on the inside. Also, I agree that people adapt to their surroundings and their characteristics reflect their surroundings. Usher seemed to live in solitude with superstitions and it affected his personality. Later on as well, while Usher's friend was staying in his house with him for awhile, he began to develop superstitious ideas while he was in the creepy, old mansion.

BridgetL said...

A question asked was whether the house is the cause of the craziness or if it's the people's minds. I think that for the most part, you are your environment. When living in a run down, depressing house, it becomes normal and you enter into a downwawrd spiral. Roderick seemed to feed off of the house's darkness.

MFania said...

I think that the house is is some what haunted, because i fell as if all the people who have lived in this house in the past have died in it. so i feel that each generation has a feeling of that haunting and it as a lasting effect on each person.

M.Washington said...

To answer Anthonys question i do believe it is because of his liiness that the inside of the house is haunted and the outside is not. I say this because your mind can play tricks on you, and it can do what ever you want it to do so therefor i believe his illness takes a big role in the story

Rach L said...

I think Roderick Usher had a mental illness, and he caused himself to have it. I think it came to a point where he couldn't handle life, living in his house, or the condition of his sister. He had to do something to make himself at ease. Since his sister was sick, he felt like since she didn't wake up, she was dead and could take some of the stres out of his life. Usher was at a point where he didn't know how to live life.

dgunter said...

I think that it is creepy to have a tomb in your house. who puts a tomb in a house if you are not a cereal killer, i think the family planned this all along

j maes said...

I think that the sister was only a figment of Usher and the Narrarator's imagination and she does not really exist. She is just an aspect of the house put into a physical form.

Laurenp said...

I think that he was only in the house a few days or weeks because the girl couldn't have been traped in the coffin area for too long or else she would have died down there.

dgunter said...

The narrator stayed long because usher is his good friend and he wanted to be loyal and stay with his long time friend. I think that the house also had something todo with it, I think the house drew him in and made him want to stay and see whats happening with his freind.

j maes said...

Kelly's comment about the air in the house is just another example of the house's control over the people in the house.

MFania said...

Josh asked how long he stayed at the huse, and it wasa said a week or only a couple days. i feel that he stayed a little longer than a week. and that week the house and creepiness got to him because he was some what reserved in what he did. and in the end he saw the death and just booked it out becuase it ws too much. he tried and he didnt get rewarded for what he was trying to do in helping a friend.

Rach L said...

The narrator had to stay with the Ushers for so long because Roderick Usher sent a letter to him asking him for help. When someone asks you for help, it's really hard to say no, especially if they are in desperate need. You wouldn't want to be the person who was responsible for not helping someone when something wrong could happen. The narrator is trying to be a caring friend, and be there for the Ushers.

Zach C. said...

I dont think that the environment is completely to blame for Usher being crazy. Does anybody think that the house is actually haunted? I think that it is mostly in their minds because we know he is a hypochondriac and the guest went into the house thinking that something was strange which can definitely effect his mindset on what the house can do.

hjohnson said...

I think that sometimes curiousty keeps people going becasue it's hard to control. It sometimes takes control and you spend so much time trying to figure out, in this case the house i think keeps him pulled in.

BridgetL said...

Someone asked how long the visitor was at the house. It made sense that there was no specifics in the story saying 'and one week later' when introducing an event because it is a crazy house. Things aren't right there, and time is a very mystifying, yet orderly thing. Part of what makes this story so haunting is that you don't know what time or what day these things are occuring. It gives the events an even more oppressive and dragging on feel. I was talking to a friend of mine earlier because she read this for a class. She said an idea brought up in her class discussion was that perhaps the narrator and Usher are the same person. She suggested that Roderick is the narrorator and this story showed a split personality. I thought that was an interesting idea, but I don't think I believe that. I think that the visitor stayed because although the house was scary, it haed a grip on him too. There is something intriguing about it and he stayed because of that.

Laurenp said...

I would not have stayed in that house. It was way too creepy. What made the house crumnble in the end? Had it finally gotten what it wanted so it didn't need to exist anymore or was the house in a way burrying its past and its people/ "masters.

ASHLEY E said...

I think that the narrator wanted to stay because for one he was curious but also because he wanted to be a good for friend. He knew he was the only person that Usher could depend on and he wanted to be there for him in this time of need. Also I think that he wanted to understand why the house was so creepy. He wanted to understand the events that had happened to make the house and the family the way it was.

Anthony D said...

due to the tone or the mood or the book i think we thought that ushers sister was a ghost because of the gothic setting it makes us want to belive that shes a ghost when in another book with a different tone the feelings would differ, it never said how long he stayed there for but you could tell that he was there for a while, and i thing part of it could have been curiosity as a student said but i think it could have been the house was as if holding him there. I deff would not have stayed for long at all, i would have been terrified espetialy if i saw my friend murderd. i think that he personifies the house very well also, and its like usher's spirit was a part of the house so when usher died the house didnt have any use in the world, like the house was there just to serve usher

M.Washington said...

I personally just like Mrs. Moritz i would not have stayed in that house at all as soon as some strange stuff happened and noone could explain how it happened than i would be dipping out gone see you later type gone.

Jennifer M C said...

Being born into this family and living in the same house that went down from generation to generation, I believe that Usher's mind began playing tricks on him from being stuck with an illness and with his creepy surroundings. He was able to become used to where he lived, but I think as for anyone else who would go there, such as Usher's friend, that type of environment would mess them up. He hadn't even been there for very long before he began hearing voices too. I know that if I had gone there and began to get those feelings, I would try to help my friend, but if it was affecting me negatively, I would leave.

j maes said...

The fall of the house represented the end of the Usher family. Many generations of the Usher family had lived in this house and along with Usher it was the only thing keeping the family line going.Now that the house is gone, so is the usher family

Rach L said...

Why did the house crack? Was it just because the Usher's were under so much pressure, that their own vibes played off on the house itself? Cause technically, a house can't just crack and crumble to the ground if there is nothing wrong with the house in general besides the fact of it being haunted...

hjohnson said...

Alee brought up the fear of not knowing and how they were in search for light and an explanation, i think that definatley affected the people in the house and their curiousity and why they stuck around for so long.

BridgetL said...

A good point was brought up about the references to light and dark in the story. It explains in the story that Roderick had a very strict upbringing and maybe that has resulted in him being afraid of the outside world, so he keeps light out of the house. He is used to the house and doesn't want to step out of there because it is unkown and out of his comfort zone.

Zach C. said...

I think that the light theme is used so much in Gothic witting because its really what everybody thinks of when they think of Gothic, darkness. so by incorporating into the story that people stay away from the light it is to help distinguish it from other types of witting.

MFania said...

i agree with colton that when Redrick died so did the house. i feel that Rederick was a part of the house in keeping it together. Then when he died so did the house ecause the lagcy'of the house of Usher was over.

Laurenp said...

I agree with Kasey, I think that the contrast between light and dark is a theme in romanticism/gothic writting because in the clips we watched the separation between light and dark was very evident. The dark almost tries to hide the past and get away from what the future holds.

Jennifer M C said...

I agree with j maes that the fall of the house signified the end of the Usher family. I believe this because Usher had been mourning about how he had lost his only companion, his sister who was his final relative. "...of a tenderly beloved sister, his sole companion for long years, his last and only relative on earth." Plus, by the end of the story, the house seemed to have cracked and gone away, refering to the fact that through all of the generations, it was time for the house and Usher family to end.

Anthony D said...

maybe the heart is the house and usher as one and whenever someone comes to the house it holds on tho them like it did the guest because colton said the heart "echos" so it held the guest close. or maybe the house is the titan

j maes said...

I agree with what Anthony said about the house being the titan, but I am still unclear about what he meant by the echoing heart.

Laurenp said...

I agree with Mrs. Moritz I don't think that all sentiments of life have a basis of terror.

BridgetL said...

I don't think all sentiments involve fear. I think it is up to us whether or not we want fear to over rule us. Roderick did nothing to change his lifestyle or try to get help for his mental illness and it doesn't seem that his sister tried to help him either. This is why fear consumed him. A good point was brought up that to fear something you must be exposed to it to get over it. Roderick kept himself locked in the house so he never faced anything he was scared of and this kept him a prisoner in his own mind because he couldn't help himself and nobody was there to help him.

MFania said...

i dont feel that the fear was forced upon anyone. i believe that the only time fear will effect you is when you let it affect you. just like ghosts and spirits some people believe and some people do. it is the saame with frear if you let if affect you you will be scared but if you dont believe in in it will not effect you.

Jennifer M C said...

Laurenp brought up a point that "the dark almost tries to hide the past and get away from what the future holds." I agree with this because within his creepy house and with everything that is in it, the tomb included, the fact that he wasn't exposed to light had to do with the fact that secrets were being held in the house and within the Usher family. Also, from being held in solitude in the mansion created a sense around Usher that he was stuck in the darkness of his surroundings and didn't see past what he had been exposed to in his house.

justin.a.miller said...

Ok yes this story was very Wierd and kinda creepy. Hey Creepy lets start out with that. When i think of the this story creepy definatly comes to mind. Much like the House. the house was very creep. It had a run down demeaner, a reflection of its owner. The house took toll on all. It was run down, Usher was run down it was said in the stoy that The guest started to change after being in the house for a wile. Another suporting fact about the house affecting people is that Usher actually dies after the house collapses. But what i was wondering, do you really think a house can have an affect on its master, or does the master have an affect on its house. After all the house is materialistic.
Second, lets talk about the guest of the house. A freind of ushers. stays in this creepy house and proclaims to be changed after staying there for a period of time. Why did he stay there if he felt he was changing? i think curiosity more than anything. if he was staying there just to be a good freind why would he snoop around the house and observer things, in what i thought as a curious manner.
With Reddrick dying, that told me that the tomb in the house was just like anything else in the house much like a bath room. Death was common. esspecially since many gernerations of the family died there.
The sister slash goast was crazy just like usher and i think that her spirit and the turmoil from the family died with the house crumbling.