All the events in the book were brought out through the fear of spells and and things like that so if they didn't have fear of the spells then would they be in the same position?
I think that both superstition breeds fear and fear breeds superstition the same way and that it is always a cycle. I think that in the movie it started out as superstition of the creatures which led to fear. Also in the book I feel like fear started first and then the superstition that they were witches folloed.
I think it comes to show that one little comment can change the views of others. In both of the stories one person starts by saying something to protect themselves and it leads to many followers.
In the Village, also, superstition brews fear because many of the people of the town,except for the elders, are scared of the superstitious red creatures. Also, superstition in the Crucible brings fear in that the people are scared of all of the witches because they don't want to be attacked.
I do not think superstition causes fear because an example is in sports people have to put their equipment on in the same order otherwise they think they will play a bad game. But I think that fear can cause superstition because it gives an explanation for something they can't explain.
I think that both superstition breeds fear and fear breeds superstition as it is kind of a chain or circle reation. In The Village, the creatures brought up the superstition leading to fear as the people wouldnt enter the woods because of the creatures in the woods. In the book, I feel like they started with fear as they feared being a victim of witchcraft.
Fear and superstition; I agree, in the Crucible superstition bred fear because the girls created the existence of witchcraft in the town which resulted with the town fearing the idea of witchcraft. But I also feel like in The Village superstition is what created the fear because the elders created the creature and woods and the whole village accepted the idea and superstition arose. I agree with Kelly in the sense that the fear arose when the girls got caught dancing in the woods in The Crucible, and when the elders were found to be the wild thing by Ivy. Thus the superstition could also create fear, they are chain reactions and are intertwinable.
There is constant fear in both The Crucible and The Village. Their fear turned into superstition which led to other events like the pointing of fingers and the hanging of innocents. In The Village fear kept them trapped in their own little world but now that Ivy has gone through the woods and come back will others start to do the same thing?
In both the play and the movie fear and superstition both play major roles. In the crucible I belive fear played more of a role than superstition. The puritan people were fearful of god so natually they were afraid when supertition led them to believe in whichcraft
I agree that fear breeds superstition becasue it makes sense that you have to be fearful of something before you can question something and make up your own ideas and superstitions about it.
I agree with julia because whenever someone is trying to cover for themselves they end up making up stories and getting people involved in things they don't have any idea about. So do you think that if they each took the responsability for what they did instead of making up stories they wouldn't be in the same situation?
I do not think that they could have been broken because in the crucible if somone went against the girls, they would be accused by all the girls that they were a witch. People were afraid to go aganist them because of the fear of what they were going to do. In the Village, people did not know different then what they have been brought up with. How can people question things that they believe in or what they have been tought their whole lives?
Superstition breeds fear, you can't have one without the other.
The people in the village are lead to beleive that there were these red cloaked monsters but really it was the town elders trying to keep everyone inside.
In The Crucible the moment witchcraft is mentioned, people begin accusing each other causing everyone to become suspects, even the people considered the most "pure".
Following up to enriques comment i think that the edlers will step up the security of the forest so that it will look like a one time thing that she made it through. If other people start trying and making it then it will lead to more and more people going but now for the next person that tries they have to make sure they dont make it if they want the secret to survive.
I think fear causes superstition AND superstition causes fear. Parris' fear of what the girls were doing in the woods lead to his superstition that the devil is the town. Also, once it is spread that the devil is in the town, the superstition of witches lead to the fear or being accused or the fear of being afflicted by a witch.
I agree with Rachel that the Crucible would be much harder to stop because of the tangled web they have made of all the people. Also I agree with Colton that it is based mainly on faith which makes it harder to solve or get rid of the wichcraft.
I agree that superstition and fear work together and can cause and result from each other. When people can't explain things, they resort to explanations and answers that also aren't completely understood. This makes it easier to accept certain explanations and somewhat satisfy people and the unknown.
In the case of The Crucible, Mrs. Putnam had lost all of her children except for one, while Goody Nurse had had many children who had eventually given her grandchildren. Mrs. Putnam wanted an explanation for her pain. She resorted to witchcraft because she didn't have a real explanation for her children dying. By resorting to this, fear was bred throughout the community. Similarly, Abigail and the girls lied about witchcraft because in reality, not much was known about the subject. This at least gave some "answers" and covered up their actions, but was taken completely out of proportion.
Fear is created by the superstitions becasue the superstitions are unknown, so there is no legal proof. For example in the Crucible the fear arose when one was labeled a witch and had to plead on the contarary becasue there was no proof, only superstitions. Superstitons are belief and one does not know who will believe. In the village the villagers believe the elders are the safety blanket of the town their the ones that know everything, where in reality their the ones to blame for the superstitionbut no one finds a reason to question them for one would never expect them to do such a thing.
I agree, fear does breed superstition. In both the movie and the book they lived in constant fear of the unknown and it led to false accusations and lies and caused things to get out of control
I agree that in the crucible, the superstition could have been stopped if the girls had confessed, but the town also seemed to want to place blame upon the devil, and not on illness, because their faith was so strong.
i think that in the crucible it was fear that breed superstition and not the other way around. the only reson that the thought of whitch craft came out, was becaause the girls got caught danceing in the forest. Therefore they had no one to blame but the devil to keep their name clear. and in a religious town ike Salem it was easily beliveable
Julia, the only weakness to Abagail and the girls, would be Proctor. If Proctor had a higher name in the town, I believe that the the truth would have come out eventually. Proctor could have had a chance if Elizabeth told the truth.
I think the people of Salem eventually realized that they were not 'extinguishing' the evil...they were turning a flicker of flame into a raging wildfire, full of uncertainty and fear. He realized this long before the other Salem authorities, but the craziness couldn't stop until those who had power put forth some effort.
I agree with Alee, when she says Mrs. Putnam was looking for an excuse/explanation to explain the reason why she had lost all of her children. I think fear of something makes people have superstitions and assumtions as a replacement for an explanation.
In both The Crucible and The Village fear was a direct result of superstition. There was no real evidence of either whichcraft of those who we do not speak of. The people were just led to believe that these things were true by rumor and superstition. Fear and superstition in both of these examples are in an endless cycle both feeding and growing off each other.
you can't blame the people incharge of the village because they couldn't see that coming and the reason he stabed him was becasue he was going to marry ivy not because they made up a monster that keeps them in the small village.
I also agree with Rachel that in The Crucible it would be harder to stop because of the harshness of punishment and the problem the girls have created and then agree with Justin in the fact that the girls have got themselves into so much and blamed so many people that they had to have just suddenly realized something and naturally stopped otherwise who else would have stopped them?
Are superstitions always based on previous experiences? In the Crucible, Abigail wants something she once had with Mr. Proctor and so she begins the superstiton of witchcraft and accuses Mrs. Proctor of performing such things. In the Village all the elders experienced the death of a loved one and so they created the woods and creature to scare the people of their village never to leave the village, boundaries were created.
I think lies dont last for ever because you half to keep going on with the same made up story and eventually the story gets around to everyone relizing its made up. Do you think the people of the town relized the storys were made up and just forgot about them over time?
I agree with Shelby that superstition and fear work together. In both the Village and the Crucible, there was some sort of superstition that eventually lead to fear of the people. I also think that it was blown out of proportion because when basically everyone is afraid, it seems to work against other people and just keeps building. The way everyone in the Crucible blamed each other is an example of how fear in the society can lead to crazy things.
In terms of fault I think that the stabbing of Lucius couldnt really be stopped no matter what. The town tried to get away from murder and death and did the best they could. They tried to be the perfect town but the evil seemed to seep in. So I think that you cant really blame any one person.
You can't blame the leaders of the town for the actions of the people. In the book, the leaders were just doing what they knew had to do. If the girls said there were witches, the leaders put them to death because thats what they knew thats what they grew up with. In the movie, the elders can't be blamed for Noah stabbing Lucius. The blame lies on the individual who did the bad thing.
I agree with Jake i think that one of the main reasons that the witch craft thing took off and had such a big effect is salem was mainly because they were such a religious town.
I think that fear breeds superstition in both the village and the crucible, because superstition is kind of like an excuse, because when you don't know something, you are afraid of it, because people are naturally fearful of what they don't know, and that is where superstition comes into play.
A good point was brought up in the inner circle. Why weren't the figures of authority blamed in some way? As it was said, George Bush and our government gets blamed when something doesn't go right, or there are problems within American society. I find it interesting that there was so much respect, or perhaps fear, of the leaders that they were left untouched by the girls' harmful accusations. Similarly in The Village, the leaders were trusted. They weren't questioned and their word was respected as law. Why isn't society like that today? Maybe we are more curious and actually dig to feed that curiosity. We may also be more bold in standing up to our authority. It's interesting to see the differences.
In my eyes it does not matter if you are with a cult that believes in one thing vs another you have a mind of your own you can believe in something that you want if you want to believe in that one thing in a society that proclaims that they have witchcraft or even a monster you have the choice to be different and to follow what you would like to believe in like john proctor he did not live in the village of salem he lived somewhere else so that he made his own destiny that he could along with his family could follow.
To what Kelley said, I think that people have a suspicion about the stories and lies, but since everyone has fear, it works against them. They probably just go along with the stories because they also fear what could happen to them and don't want to get hurt. For example, in the Crucible everyone feared getting hanged so they would confess that they performed witchcraft, even though they must have known that they really weren't involved.
In the village i think the young people never grow up to get their intelect because the elders tell them that there are bad things out in the woods and because their the elders they trust their word.
Isn't it the thought process that creates these boundries? Though it showed more of a physical boundrie but it is the thoughts that puts up these boundries.
Kelley I do think that the people realized it was fake and forgot about the whole thing and the next year no body got sick so no accusations were made so it wouldn't make sense that the devil would only start to take over their town and then just stop. if they weren't positive about it being fake that helped them make up their mind.
Superstition and fear in both The Crucible and The village should have been overcome by logic and reason. But the townspeople had been tought to believe in whitchcraft and monsters by the elders or church in their community and therefor could not think and make decisions based entirely on their own beliefs.
I agree with Kasey, you cant put the blame on anyone. It was a single individuals decision, something must have some upon him to bring this evil and the idea of stabbing Lucius. The village did so much to try and make the best, avoiding death but this couldnt be stpped. Who could have known or taken such responsibility?
Fear does indeed breed superstition. Those that are in The Village are led to believe that there are monsters. Because there is a natural fear of the unknown, superstition (in this case) does indeed breed fear.
Likewise, fear can breed superstition. Some of the biggest superstitions alive today are bred out of fear.
I agree with Spencer, when he says that "You can't blame the leaders of the town for the actions of the people." I don't think that people should be responsible for other peoples' actions.
I think it's interesting how no one ever defined 'superstition,'in the Crucible. Is it anything they can't explain? If that is the case... The Puritans' lives revolved around God, but many of His actions were inexplicable because of his 'divine power.' Why are they so willing to believe and accept the unknown in the case of their religion...but so quick to completely annihilate it elsewhere?
i think if they cept the secret of the village going on after all the elders past and had new elders the village would do good and possitive things would come out of it
In The Village, I agree that the elders created the community as a way to run away from the bad things that happened in their lives, but I also think that they formed the community to offer their children and descendants a safer lifestyle. It's hard to say if what they did was right because as Hannah said in the inner circle, they haven't been there that long and they are already having trouble keeping everyone safe. Although Noah wasn't completely aware of his actions because of his mental disability, he still acted out in aggression, which was exactly what they were trying to avoid.
I think that definitely some people have just the born power to manipulate others. I think that Abby obtians this for sure and that she has the main power over all the other girls especially Mary Warren. I totally agree with Josh that probably Proctor and Rabecca Nurse, were the ones that saw her for what she really was and stood by that.
Anthony mentioned that in the Village, people trust what the elders say and it kind of keeps them from thinking for themselves. With both the Village and the Crucible, the society and people believed what higher people would say and feared believing anything else. It seemed like the elders manipulated the people with what they thought and would punish them if they believed anything else.
i think that minipulation was used in the cruciable by how the girls convinced everyone in the town that it was a spell on them i think the ignorance of the town also had a large part of why everyone believed the witch craft
i agree with josh that in the crucible Abigale did most if not all of the manipulating. all the girls had a chance to gang up on her but because they all reared he she was never thrown under the bus. and because she was never prosecuted she just got other girls to help her manipulate the town and charege the innocent people.
Hale is very manipulative in the Crucible because he begins to tell people that he can heal the people who have been "bewitched" so everyone is like, "ok! Only Hale can save you! Save them Reverend do your thing!"
Abigail is also very manipulative, she seduces John Proctor, a married man, and she convinces the judge that Mary's spirit has turned into a bird and is about to attack Abigail.
Fear breeds superstition; superstition breeds fear.
These two statements apply to both the Village and the Crucible. In the Crucible the town of Salem is scared by the actions of the girls so they start believing they are witches because the people need something to blame the strange behavior on. Superstition also breeds fear in the Crucible since the towns people think there are witches their fear increases to a greater level. In the Village fear breeds superstition because the town placed fear in the village itself causing the superstition of the creatures. But the superstition of the creatures creates fear for the entire village.
I think the people in The Crucible needed some form of an explanation because they were used to knowing what was happening around them. They wanted to live in an ideal religious community and up until the mentioning of witchcraft, they were okay. As problems started to arouse, however, they needed to find some explanation. I think they were so panicked that they accepted the unknown of their religion with witchcraft and the devil and absent mindedly annihilated it at the same time.
I don't think that it was in the Village's best intrest to continue toisolate the society because now Ivy knows that the creature and everything was a set up so she could marry Lucius and tell him so that they could flee. And once people start fleeing in curiousity of what else is out there, then others will sure to follow. Also, the elder's created the superstitions out of good thought I think because I think it started with them just wanting to protect those they are close to. However the reasoning became manipulated in the sense that it became more personal and was taken to the extreme. The creature was not necessary for the boundaries alone could have kept the town together. Also it was all in self intrest of the elder's for they created it based off of their past experiences, all of the elder's had experienced somewhat similar scenerios so it is common for one to feel the pain that they felt. It was not necessary to dwell this long and interact it with present and future day for they are now making history repeat itself. Present day many people use the same tactic of manipulating others to gain power because it is an easiest way to achieve self gain, and it ultimately is taken to far that others start to believe and accept it.
Both the elders in the village and the puritan leaders in salem believed that they could have a perfect society. The people of Salem were expected to be perfect puritans so when they broke the rules they tried to use manipulation to stay out of trouble by blaming their actions on supernatural occurings. This led to almost everyone in the town believing in the cocept of whitchcraft. In the village the eldes used manipulation to keep everyone from leaving the village. The people of the village just like the peoplpe of salem, were also expected to be good citizens and were therefor willing to believe to in the monsters. Thier society had trained them to believe that the stories were true.
Some people are just born with the talent to manipulate others, but i think people use it in different ways in te crucible Abigail uses her talent to try and get what she wants (Proctor). Yet in the villiage the elders use it to try and protect people from the cruelty of reality. A modern day connection i can think of would be the terroist leaders being able to manipulate the Islam community so much. I was watching a movie called obbsesion about it last night and those leaders are so manipulating like the elders in the village they teach kids from a young age to believe one thing and that is that Americans and any other religon is the devil. They also convince many people to die for this belief.
I think Hitler because he saw a weekness in the society and took it by storm to have his country become a power again. He took these poeple who were weak and put his thoughts and beliefs into their minds. It also shows this in both the crucible and the village by putting beliefs in their minds that they thought would protect them but ended up coming back and bitting them in the butt and everything seemed to be going wrong.
I agree with Lauren about Walker in the village that he felt guilt about keeping the people so secluded without any medicine. So this is why he let Ivy go get medicines for Lucius.
I agree that both issues involving witch craft and the fear of the color red and the mosters were taken too far over the top. These issues could have been solved in a less violent manner. In the Crucible, this issue about witchcraft didn't have to go along the town, a private conversation and dealing with these matters individually could have saved many peoples lives. In the Village, the Elders didn't have to go all out and make a moster to insure their society from harms way. I think their society would have been more protective if they didn't make the fear of the moster.
I think manipulation was the key factor in The Crucible. It only took one person to start manipulating and others followed in their wake. That goes along with how people often "cave in" and act as followers instead of leaders. I believe that everyone has the ability to manipulate, they just need to muster up the desire and motivation to do so. Manipulation seems to be a part of human nature in one way or another. There will always be someone who wants control and there will always be people who will bend under their influences, positive and negative. It just depends and varies from person to person.
I agree with a lot of things that Lauren has been saying in the inner circle. Especially, that in the village, they were probably starting to feel guilty, because they know they are isolated, and they really need modern medicine, as well as probably many other useful things in today's society.
I agree with Josh and Lauren, that Abigail had a huge role in manipulating the people. Abigail and all the other girls gained up on Mary Warren when they could have been accusing someone else who really could have been a victim. But, there was manipulation and they all chose Mary Warren and teamed up to accuse innocent people.
There comes a time when leaders come to to much power. Is this where dicatorship takes over and have people just live their lives through fear of being hurt? When does power go so far that it ends up like what was going on in Saleam in The Crucible? I have to agree with Travis on what he said about dicatorship taking over after mipulation goes to far. Hannah has a great point when she said that the girls were just fallowing each others lead.
Manipulation was very strong in both The Crucile and The Village. Abigail manipulated the whole village but the Putnams and Hale added to that, it wasn't just her. Travis said that if they all stick together that nobody gets blamed, and I thought that was a really good point. In the village, the leaders manipulate the entire community by making up stories and by killing a bunch of animals and having them strewn across town. The simple idea of witchcraft scared people into a frenzy in The Crucible. In The Village, the idea of the creatures made everyone panic and be too scared to leave. In both situations the manipulators took advantage of the people and used the idea of something evil to control the people through fear.
Manipulation was the biggest part of the crucible. Everybodies mind got manipulated by the older people that it was witch craft because they all spread the word and everyone started to believe it. Abigal manipulated the girls so she could get what she wanted.
I don't think the elders feel guilty because if they did they would put an end to the superstitions they created. Also if they really wanted to they could make their village known to the outside world and continue their village ways with some help from the outside world like getting medicines.
I agree that Abigail was very manipulative in the Crucible, but other played similar roles. Abigail would persuade other girls easily to join in with what she was doing, but even though the other girls feared her and hurt other people in the process, they could have done something about their actions. Also, the Elders were very manipulative towards the people in their society by faking the creatures. Wouldn't they feel guilty? How did they believe that what they were doing could keep going without consequences?
I agree that in both stories about trying to make the community. However, that is impossible. Their can never be a perfect community even if you try so hard to make it just the way you want it. Since each community is trying to make their towns without fear, debate, anger, or frustrations, when these issues do break out, no one knows how to handle it. Relating back to 9/11, I agree that America needed someone to blame the attacks on, and at the time we had no answer for why this was happening to the US. That is why people blamed it on President Bush. Bush did not make these terroists attack the US, but the only reaction we had was blaming the leader. Unfortunently, this will not solve any problems in the Crucible, the Village, or in America.
Depending on how you're brought up, your parents/guardians instill certain beliefs and/or values that you'll generally keep close to you. These values usually stay with you for life and many decisions you make are based off of them.
I think the Puritans all had the same general beliefs/values that they held close to them, so when something different came along (the idea of witchcraft) their ignorance (and centering their lives around JUST their beliefs) was the driving force that caused a lot of the chaos. This is applicable in The Village as well - the town's ignorance is what caused their fear of red and the creatures
I agree with Jesse, because in both the village and the crucible, they just don't want to accept that they could be wrong so they find something to blame it on, because their 'religion' can't be wrong.
I think in both stories both societies want an ideal society and they don't want anything bad to happen so if it does they blame it on something they claim they can't control to keep thier society together.
I agree with Lauren that the people used the supernatural to blame what is happening to the people so that they wouldnt question really and that the would stay.
I agree with the point made about how people are religious to explain the unexplainable. Religious people believe in gods that they cannot see or connect with. It is impossible to question faith, therefore it is easy to explain supernaturally.
Supernatural things are all a matter of belief. if you believe in God and you think things happen because God made them happen then you wont believe anything else. IF you believe in the supernatural world then you think things jsut happen because of the bizarre world
I think that supernatural domain relates to the fact that if a person believes strongly enough and long enough that something is true, their mind will tell them that it is true. For example, when the girls in the book act like they are bewitched for that long of a time, their minds may actually believe that they are bewitched, which is what made it so believable.
I agree with Ashley as well, that some people *may* question their religion, but most of the time when they do, they will just find some excuse or answer (which still keeps their own religion in a good light).
rebecka nurse is disreditede by the putnams imediatly. They would rather belive in a something that they can not prove than someone that has seen it beforee.
I think that it's easier for people to fall back on supernatural things because you can't really explain what you can't control. And it is a lot easier to say that supernatural things have happened.
So to example the unknown both just went straight to the supernatural? When most people think supernatural they think that it is nad spirts. If this is true then why did all the elders say that it was. Lauren has a good point but there is no such thing has something having complete control over everything in a persons life. There has to be another way besides supernatural beings that you can blame things on. Allie has a great point about if you go striaght to supernatural things that more people will question more and more. And doesnt that hurt in the long run? Brigit says that people just jumped to fast saying that the people just wanted to blame something or someone on this, but if they waited it out it would have just past bye. Fear is playing a role in things.
i think the town blamed the weird events on witch craft because they wanted to be a perfect town that nothing goes wrong. When something strange does go on they can easly blame it on something else like witch craft and carry on with it takeing the whole town to follow there belifes.
I agree with the comment about religion and how people turn to religion when there's something bothering because it seems to have an answer for everything even the supernatural. People who believe in religion don't question religion so when the girls got caught dancing they knew the people of Salem wouldn't understand what they were trying to do by dancing and they would probably blame it on the devil because it's something their not used to seeing in their ideal puritan society
i think that just like in real life every decision you make you have to give it time and stick with it. if people just quit when things wernt working i dont think we would have the world we had today!
9/11 was a massive attack played by the Taliban, asking for war. Sure we were looking for Osama Bin Laden, but Sadam Hussein was a high ranked leader of the Taliban. The capture of Hussein was a great accomplishment to the on Terrorism because he was a serious threat to the US, even if there was not a direct connection between him and the attacks on 9/11. To whoever believes the government manipulated the war, are you serious? I found that part of the discussion poorly connected with the sources we are discussing.
I think that people reach to the supernatural domain all the time in order to explain the unexplainable. This is shown in both books. In the crucible it is shown mainly when the girls are sick and the town goes crazy over a rumor of which craft when in reality its simply a illness and a rumor some girls make up to get some attention and get out of trouble. in the village the supernatural in used to decieve the people into staying in the village and not going to the woods or through the towns.
I think that people reach to the supernatural domain all the time in order to explain the unexplainable. This is shown in both books. In the crucible it is shown mainly when the girls are sick and the town goes crazy over a rumor of which craft when in reality its simply a illness and a rumor some girls make up to get some attention and get out of trouble. in the village the supernatural in used to decieve the people into staying in the village and not going to the woods or through the towns.
Evil is different for everyone but i think that in the societies in The Crucible and The Village their definitions of evil are similar bcause they have similar beliefs and values.
I agree. People see evil as things they're not used to seeing or things they fear. The people living in the town of Salem probably weren't used to seeing girls chanting and dancing and they saw it as an evil thing but nowadays people dance all the time and it doesn't mean they're evil of conjuring spirits. Instead of investigating what was really going on they chose the easy way out of things by just saying it was witchcraft and I think it was mostly because they just wanted to get out of the way as quickly as possible because it was affecting their society, which they saw as prefect almost.
Originally, in the Crucible, I do not believe that the original intent was to hurt others. It was just to prevent the girls from getting in trouble. Later on, I believe that people like Paris and Abigail manipulated others just for their own personal gain.
I think that in The Crucible it is much easier for people to pick out evil than good because people are acting suspicious, getting sick, and actually admitting to whichcraft just so they could live. Those are pretty strong reasons to see evil in people but i dont think that they looked for good in people as hard as they could have. and example is john proctor. even though he did cheat and didn't go to church everyday he still had good personality traits and im sure their were many things they could have seen in him.
In response to the inner circle question: I don't think that evil is really always intended to hurt someone, but it is used to control or manipulate people, just like Abigail did in the Crucible. I agree with Hannah in that people make things a lot worse than they really are, or need to be, because of their religion.
It's obvious that the definition of evil varies from person to person and culture to culture. Overall, any action could be viewed as evil by someone somewhere in the world. In retrospect, there seems to be one universal definition of whats good. Why are we able to define things as good, but unable to come up with a universal definition of evil? Is "good" really so easily limited and "evil" so easily dubbed without boundaries?
I agree with whoever said that evil depends on what you know and what you have grown up with. This can go back to my earlier comment on terrorism. In America we consider terrorism evil but someone who has grown up there whole life being told that americans are the devil and that there duty is to destroy them does not think that what they are doing is evil. So it has to do with what you have been told and what morals have been planted in you while growning up.
To go off of Kayla's question, people always want to be the one in the spotlight, and people will do anything to be in the spotlight. Even having people hurt. I think that is what Racheal L is trying to show. Hannah says how since everyone sees evil differently so the being hurt is just a prove of that.
I agree with the point made about how not everyone who is considered evil is intending to be evil. Take for example in The Village, where the Elders were not intending to be evil, they were intending to make a better society without murder, etc. They were using peace as a destination of evil, which usually does not work.
An interesting idea was brought up when someone asked if evil means there was malicious intent to hurt people. I don't think there was actual intent to hurt people in either story. In The Crucible the girls did not plan to hurt anyone, it just happened. Abigail took advantage of the situation and started to manipulat people and began acting evil. In The Village I don't think anyone wanted to hurt anyone. The whole town was created to avoid violence and harm. I don't think Noah meant to hurt Lucius. He was not mentally stable and he didn't know any better. He loved Ivy and acted wrongly, but I don't think there was malicious intent. I think Walker had good intentions but didn't execute his plans well because it is impossible to run away from bad things.
Once people living in the village see that Ivy has gone through the woods and come back with more modern medicine that can cure things they can't cure with the resources they have, will people start to ask question and head into the woods themselves?
Jesse made a great point having Noah most-like Abigail because he did commit an act of evil, even if those were not his attentions. I also agreed with those that thought Walker was not an evil person. You cant blame somebody who has gone through as much as him, for try to create a perfect society.
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All the events in the book were brought out through the fear of spells and and things like that so if they didn't have fear of the spells then would they be in the same position?
I think that both superstition breeds fear and fear breeds superstition the same way and that it is always a cycle. I think that in the movie it started out as superstition of the creatures which led to fear. Also in the book I feel like fear started first and then the superstition that they were witches folloed.
I think it comes to show that one little comment can change the views of others. In both of the stories one person starts by saying something to protect themselves and it leads to many followers.
In the Village, also, superstition brews fear because many of the people of the town,except for the elders, are scared of the superstitious red creatures. Also, superstition in the Crucible brings fear in that the people are scared of all of the witches because they don't want to be attacked.
I do not think superstition causes fear because an example is in sports people have to put their equipment on in the same order otherwise they think they will play a bad game. But I think that fear can cause superstition because it gives an explanation for something they can't explain.
I think that both superstition breeds fear and fear breeds superstition as it is kind of a chain or circle reation. In The Village, the creatures brought up the superstition leading to fear as the people wouldnt enter the woods because of the creatures in the woods. In the book, I feel like they started with fear as they feared being a victim of witchcraft.
Fear and superstition; I agree, in the Crucible superstition bred fear because the girls created the existence of witchcraft in the town which resulted with the town fearing the idea of witchcraft. But I also feel like in The Village superstition is what created the fear because the elders created the creature and woods and the whole village accepted the idea and superstition arose. I agree with Kelly in the sense that the fear arose when the girls got caught dancing in the woods in The Crucible, and when the elders were found to be the wild thing by Ivy. Thus the superstition could also create fear, they are chain reactions and are intertwinable.
There is constant fear in both The Crucible and The Village. Their fear turned into superstition which led to other events like the pointing of fingers and the hanging of innocents. In The Village fear kept them trapped in their own little world but now that Ivy has gone through the woods and come back will others start to do the same thing?
In the Crucible it could have been broken when Proctor and his wife both had told the truth. Then, Abigail would have been declared as a fake.
In both the play and the movie fear and superstition both play major roles. In the crucible I belive fear played more of a role than superstition. The puritan people were fearful of god so natually they were afraid when supertition led them to believe in whichcraft
I agree that fear breeds superstition becasue it makes sense that you have to be fearful of something before you can question something and make up your own ideas and superstitions about it.
I agree with julia because whenever someone is trying to cover for themselves they end up making up stories and getting people involved in things they don't have any idea about. So do you think that if they each took the responsability for what they did instead of making up stories they wouldn't be in the same situation?
I do not think that they could have been broken because in the crucible if somone went against the girls, they would be accused by all the girls that they were a witch. People were afraid to go aganist them because of the fear of what they were going to do. In the Village, people did not know different then what they have been brought up with. How can people question things that they believe in or what they have been tought their whole lives?
Superstition breeds fear, you can't have one without the other.
The people in the village are lead to beleive that there were these red cloaked monsters but really it was the town elders trying to keep everyone inside.
In The Crucible the moment witchcraft is mentioned, people begin accusing each other causing everyone to become suspects, even the people considered the most "pure".
Following up to enriques comment i think that the edlers will step up the security of the forest so that it will look like a one time thing that she made it through. If other people start trying and making it then it will lead to more and more people going but now for the next person that tries they have to make sure they dont make it if they want the secret to survive.
I think fear causes superstition AND superstition causes fear. Parris' fear of what the girls were doing in the woods lead to his superstition that the devil is the town. Also, once it is spread that the devil is in the town, the superstition of witches lead to the fear or being accused or the fear of being afflicted by a witch.
I agree with Rachel that the Crucible would be much harder to stop because of the tangled web they have made of all the people. Also I agree with Colton that it is based mainly on faith which makes it harder to solve or get rid of the wichcraft.
I agree that superstition and fear work together and can cause and result from each other. When people can't explain things, they resort to explanations and answers that also aren't completely understood. This makes it easier to accept certain explanations and somewhat satisfy people and the unknown.
In the case of The Crucible, Mrs. Putnam had lost all of her children except for one, while Goody Nurse had had many children who had eventually given her grandchildren. Mrs. Putnam wanted an explanation for her pain. She resorted to witchcraft because she didn't have a real explanation for her children dying. By resorting to this, fear was bred throughout the community. Similarly, Abigail and the girls lied about witchcraft because in reality, not much was known about the subject. This at least gave some "answers" and covered up their actions, but was taken completely out of proportion.
Fear is created by the superstitions becasue the superstitions are unknown, so there is no legal proof. For example in the Crucible the fear arose when one was labeled a witch and had to plead on the contarary becasue there was no proof, only superstitions. Superstitons are belief and one does not know who will believe. In the village the villagers believe the elders are the safety blanket of the town their the ones that know everything, where in reality their the ones to blame for the superstitionbut no one finds a reason to question them for one would never expect them to do such a thing.
I agree, fear does breed superstition. In both the movie and the book they lived in constant fear of the unknown and it led to false accusations and lies and caused things to get out of control
I agree that in the crucible, the superstition could have been stopped if the girls had confessed, but the town also seemed to want to place blame upon the devil, and not on illness, because their faith was so strong.
i think that in the crucible it was fear that breed superstition and not the other way around. the only reson that the thought of whitch craft came out, was becaause the girls got caught danceing in the forest. Therefore they had no one to blame but the devil to keep their name clear. and in a religious town ike Salem it was easily beliveable
Julia, the only weakness to Abagail and the girls, would be Proctor. If Proctor had a higher name in the town, I believe that the the truth would have come out eventually. Proctor could have had a chance if Elizabeth told the truth.
I think the people of Salem eventually realized that they were not 'extinguishing' the evil...they were turning a flicker of flame into a raging wildfire, full of uncertainty and fear. He realized this long before the other Salem authorities, but the craziness couldn't stop until those who had power put forth some effort.
I agree with Alee, when she says Mrs. Putnam was looking for an excuse/explanation to explain the reason why she had lost all of her children. I think fear of something makes people have superstitions and assumtions as a replacement for an explanation.
In both The Crucible and The Village fear was a direct result of superstition. There was no real evidence of either whichcraft of those who we do not speak of. The people were just led to believe that these things were true by rumor and superstition. Fear and superstition in both of these examples are in an endless cycle both feeding and growing off each other.
Sorry - earlier I meant HALE realized this long before the others...(not he)
you can't blame the people incharge of the village because they couldn't see that coming and the reason he stabed him was becasue he was going to marry ivy not because they made up a monster that keeps them in the small village.
I also agree with Rachel that in The Crucible it would be harder to stop because of the harshness of punishment and the problem the girls have created and then agree with Justin in the fact that the girls have got themselves into so much and blamed so many people that they had to have just suddenly realized something and naturally stopped otherwise who else would have stopped them?
I agree with Jesse, I think you need superstion to have fear but also fear to have superstion. They grow and feed off of eachother.
Are superstitions always based on previous experiences? In the Crucible, Abigail wants something she once had with Mr. Proctor and so she begins the superstiton of witchcraft and accuses Mrs. Proctor of performing such things. In the Village all the elders experienced the death of a loved one and so they created the woods and creature to scare the people of their village never to leave the village, boundaries were created.
I think lies dont last for ever because you half to keep going on with the same made up story and eventually the story gets around to everyone relizing its made up. Do you think the people of the town relized the storys were made up and just forgot about them over time?
I agree with Shelby that superstition and fear work together. In both the Village and the Crucible, there was some sort of superstition that eventually lead to fear of the people. I also think that it was blown out of proportion because when basically everyone is afraid, it seems to work against other people and just keeps building. The way everyone in the Crucible blamed each other is an example of how fear in the society can lead to crazy things.
In terms of fault I think that the stabbing of Lucius couldnt really be stopped no matter what. The town tried to get away from murder and death and did the best they could. They tried to be the perfect town but the evil seemed to seep in. So I think that you cant really blame any one person.
You can't blame the leaders of the town for the actions of the people. In the book, the leaders were just doing what they knew had to do. If the girls said there were witches, the leaders put them to death because thats what they knew thats what they grew up with. In the movie, the elders can't be blamed for Noah stabbing Lucius. The blame lies on the individual who did the bad thing.
I agree with Jake i think that one of the main reasons that the witch craft thing took off and had such a big effect is salem was mainly because they were such a religious town.
I think that fear breeds superstition in both the village and the crucible, because superstition is kind of like an excuse, because when you don't know something, you are afraid of it, because people are naturally fearful of what they don't know, and that is where superstition comes into play.
A good point was brought up in the inner circle. Why weren't the figures of authority blamed in some way? As it was said, George Bush and our government gets blamed when something doesn't go right, or there are problems within American society. I find it interesting that there was so much respect, or perhaps fear, of the leaders that they were left untouched by the girls' harmful accusations. Similarly in The Village, the leaders were trusted. They weren't questioned and their word was respected as law. Why isn't society like that today? Maybe we are more curious and actually dig to feed that curiosity. We may also be more bold in standing up to our authority. It's interesting to see the differences.
In my eyes it does not matter if you are with a cult that believes in one thing vs another you have a mind of your own you can believe in something that you want if you want to believe in that one thing in a society that proclaims that they have witchcraft or even a monster you have the choice to be different and to follow what you would like to believe in like john proctor he did not live in the village of salem he lived somewhere else so that he made his own destiny that he could along with his family could follow.
To what Kelley said, I think that people have a suspicion about the stories and lies, but since everyone has fear, it works against them. They probably just go along with the stories because they also fear what could happen to them and don't want to get hurt. For example, in the Crucible everyone feared getting hanged so they would confess that they performed witchcraft, even though they must have known that they really weren't involved.
In the village i think the young people never grow up to get their intelect because the elders tell them that there are bad things out in the woods and because their the elders they trust their word.
I agree with Spencer because the elders and leaders were only trying to create a better life for the others in the town.
Isn't it the thought process that creates these boundries? Though it showed more of a physical boundrie but it is the thoughts that puts up these boundries.
Kelley I do think that the people realized it was fake and forgot about the whole thing and the next year no body got sick so no accusations were made so it wouldn't make sense that the devil would only start to take over their town and then just stop. if they weren't positive about it being fake that helped them make up their mind.
i agree with davis that at a certain age all your fear leavs because you become curious and either figure out the solution or prove its not true!
Superstition and fear in both The Crucible and The village should have been overcome by logic and reason. But the townspeople had been tought to believe in whitchcraft and monsters by the elders or church in their community and therefor could not think and make decisions based entirely on their own beliefs.
I agree with Kasey, you cant put the blame on anyone. It was a single individuals decision, something must have some upon him to bring this evil and the idea of stabbing Lucius. The village did so much to try and make the best, avoiding death but this couldnt be stpped. Who could have known or taken such responsibility?
Fear does indeed breed superstition. Those that are in The Village are led to believe that there are monsters. Because there is a natural fear of the unknown, superstition (in this case) does indeed breed fear.
Likewise, fear can breed superstition. Some of the biggest superstitions alive today are bred out of fear.
I agree with Spencer, when he says that "You can't blame the leaders of the town for the actions of the people." I don't think that people should be responsible for other peoples' actions.
I think it's interesting how no one ever defined 'superstition,'in the Crucible. Is it anything they can't explain?
If that is the case... The Puritans' lives revolved around God, but many of His actions were inexplicable because of his 'divine power.' Why are they so willing to believe and accept the unknown in the case of their religion...but so quick to completely annihilate it elsewhere?
i think if they cept the secret of the village going on after all the elders past and had new elders the village would do good and possitive things would come out of it
In The Village, I agree that the elders created the community as a way to run away from the bad things that happened in their lives, but I also think that they formed the community to offer their children and descendants a safer lifestyle. It's hard to say if what they did was right because as Hannah said in the inner circle, they haven't been there that long and they are already having trouble keeping everyone safe. Although Noah wasn't completely aware of his actions because of his mental disability, he still acted out in aggression, which was exactly what they were trying to avoid.
I think that definitely some people have just the born power to manipulate others. I think that Abby obtians this for sure and that she has the main power over all the other girls especially Mary Warren. I totally agree with Josh that probably Proctor and Rabecca Nurse, were the ones that saw her for what she really was and stood by that.
Anthony mentioned that in the Village, people trust what the elders say and it kind of keeps them from thinking for themselves. With both the Village and the Crucible, the society and people believed what higher people would say and feared believing anything else. It seemed like the elders manipulated the people with what they thought and would punish them if they believed anything else.
i think that minipulation was used in the cruciable by how the girls convinced everyone in the town that it was a spell on them i think the ignorance of the town also had a large part of why everyone believed the witch craft
i agree with josh that in the crucible Abigale did most if not all of the manipulating. all the girls had a chance to gang up on her but because they all reared he she was never thrown under the bus. and because she was never prosecuted she just got other girls to help her manipulate the town and charege the innocent people.
Hale is very manipulative in the Crucible because he begins to tell people that he can heal the people who have been "bewitched" so everyone is like, "ok! Only Hale can save you! Save them Reverend do your thing!"
Abigail is also very manipulative, she seduces John Proctor, a married man, and she convinces the judge that Mary's spirit has turned into a bird and is about to attack Abigail.
Fear breeds superstition; superstition breeds fear.
These two statements apply to both the Village and the Crucible. In the Crucible the town of Salem is scared by the actions of the girls so they start believing they are witches because the people need something to blame the strange behavior on. Superstition also breeds fear in the Crucible since the towns people think there are witches their fear increases to a greater level. In the Village fear breeds superstition because the town placed fear in the village itself causing the superstition of the creatures. But the superstition of the creatures creates fear for the entire village.
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I think the people in The Crucible needed some form of an explanation because they were used to knowing what was happening around them. They wanted to live in an ideal religious community and up until the mentioning of witchcraft, they were okay. As problems started to arouse, however, they needed to find some explanation. I think they were so panicked that they accepted the unknown of their religion with witchcraft and the devil and absent mindedly annihilated it at the same time.
I don't think that it was in the Village's best intrest to continue toisolate the society because now Ivy knows that the creature and everything was a set up so she could marry Lucius and tell him so that they could flee. And once people start fleeing in curiousity of what else is out there, then others will sure to follow. Also, the elder's created the superstitions out of good thought I think because I think it started with them just wanting to protect those they are close to. However the reasoning became manipulated in the sense that it became more personal and was taken to the extreme. The creature was not necessary for the boundaries alone could have kept the town together. Also it was all in self intrest of the elder's for they created it based off of their past experiences, all of the elder's had experienced somewhat similar scenerios so it is common for one to feel the pain that they felt. It was not necessary to dwell this long and interact it with present and future day for they are now making history repeat itself. Present day many people use the same tactic of manipulating others to gain power because it is an easiest way to achieve self gain, and it ultimately is taken to far that others start to believe and accept it.
Both the elders in the village and the puritan leaders in salem believed that they could have a perfect society. The people of Salem were expected to be perfect puritans so when they broke the rules they tried to use manipulation to stay out of trouble by blaming their actions on supernatural occurings. This led to almost everyone in the town believing in the cocept of whitchcraft.
In the village the eldes used manipulation to keep everyone from leaving the village. The people of the village just like the peoplpe of salem, were also expected to be good citizens and were therefor willing to believe to in the monsters. Thier society had trained them to believe that the stories were true.
Some people are just born with the talent to manipulate others, but i think people use it in different ways in te crucible Abigail uses her talent to try and get what she wants (Proctor). Yet in the villiage the elders use it to try and protect people from the cruelty of reality. A modern day connection i can think of would be the terroist leaders being able to manipulate the Islam community so much. I was watching a movie called obbsesion about it last night and those leaders are so manipulating like the elders in the village they teach kids from a young age to believe one thing and that is that Americans and any other religon is the devil. They also convince many people to die for this belief.
I think Hitler because he saw a weekness in the society and took it by storm to have his country become a power again. He took these poeple who were weak and put his thoughts and beliefs into their minds. It also shows this in both the crucible and the village by putting beliefs in their minds that they thought would protect them but ended up coming back and bitting them in the butt and everything seemed to be going wrong.
I agree with Lauren about Walker in the village that he felt guilt about keeping the people so secluded without any medicine. So this is why he let Ivy go get medicines for Lucius.
I agree that both issues involving witch craft and the fear of the color red and the mosters were taken too far over the top. These issues could have been solved in a less violent manner. In the Crucible, this issue about witchcraft didn't have to go along the town, a private conversation and dealing with these matters individually could have saved many peoples lives. In the Village, the Elders didn't have to go all out and make a moster to insure their society from harms way. I think their society would have been more protective if they didn't make the fear of the moster.
I think manipulation was the key factor in The Crucible. It only took one person to start manipulating and others followed in their wake. That goes along with how people often "cave in" and act as followers instead of leaders. I believe that everyone has the ability to manipulate, they just need to muster up the desire and motivation to do so. Manipulation seems to be a part of human nature in one way or another. There will always be someone who wants control and there will always be people who will bend under their influences, positive and negative. It just depends and varies from person to person.
I agree with a lot of things that Lauren has been saying in the inner circle. Especially, that in the village, they were probably starting to feel guilty, because they know they are isolated, and they really need modern medicine, as well as probably many other useful things in today's society.
I agree with Josh and Lauren, that Abigail had a huge role in manipulating the people. Abigail and all the other girls gained up on Mary Warren when they could have been accusing someone else who really could have been a victim. But, there was manipulation and they all chose Mary Warren and teamed up to accuse innocent people.
There comes a time when leaders come to to much power. Is this where dicatorship takes over and have people just live their lives through fear of being hurt? When does power go so far that it ends up like what was going on in Saleam in The Crucible? I have to agree with Travis on what he said about dicatorship taking over after mipulation goes to far. Hannah has a great point when she said that the girls were just fallowing each others lead.
Manipulation was very strong in both The Crucile and The Village. Abigail manipulated the whole village but the Putnams and Hale added to that, it wasn't just her. Travis said that if they all stick together that nobody gets blamed, and I thought that was a really good point. In the village, the leaders manipulate the entire community by making up stories and by killing a bunch of animals and having them strewn across town. The simple idea of witchcraft scared people into a frenzy in The Crucible. In The Village, the idea of the creatures made everyone panic and be too scared to leave. In both situations the manipulators took advantage of the people and used the idea of something evil to control the people through fear.
Manipulation was the biggest part of the crucible. Everybodies mind got manipulated by the older people that it was witch craft because they all spread the word and everyone started to believe it. Abigal manipulated the girls so she could get what she wanted.
I don't think the elders feel guilty because if they did they would put an end to the superstitions they created. Also if they really wanted to they could make their village known to the outside world and continue their village ways with some help from the outside world like getting medicines.
I agree that Abigail was very manipulative in the Crucible, but other played similar roles. Abigail would persuade other girls easily to join in with what she was doing, but even though the other girls feared her and hurt other people in the process, they could have done something about their actions. Also, the Elders were very manipulative towards the people in their society by faking the creatures. Wouldn't they feel guilty? How did they believe that what they were doing could keep going without consequences?
I agree that in both stories about trying to make the community. However, that is impossible. Their can never be a perfect community even if you try so hard to make it just the way you want it. Since each community is trying to make their towns without fear, debate, anger, or frustrations, when these issues do break out, no one knows how to handle it. Relating back to 9/11, I agree that America needed someone to blame the attacks on, and at the time we had no answer for why this was happening to the US. That is why people blamed it on President Bush. Bush did not make these terroists attack the US, but the only reaction we had was blaming the leader. Unfortunently, this will not solve any problems in the Crucible, the Village, or in America.
Depending on how you're brought up, your parents/guardians instill certain beliefs and/or values that you'll generally keep close to you. These values usually stay with you for life and many decisions you make are based off of them.
I think the Puritans all had the same general beliefs/values that they held close to them, so when something different came along (the idea of witchcraft) their ignorance (and centering their lives around JUST their beliefs) was the driving force that caused a lot of the chaos. This is applicable in The Village as well - the town's ignorance is what caused their fear of red and the creatures
I agree with Jesse, because in both the village and the crucible, they just don't want to accept that they could be wrong so they find something to blame it on, because their 'religion' can't be wrong.
I think in both stories both societies want an ideal society and they don't want anything bad to happen so if it does they blame it on something they claim they can't control to keep thier society together.
I agree with Lauren that the people used the supernatural to blame what is happening to the people so that they wouldnt question really and that the would stay.
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I agree with the point made about how people are religious to explain the unexplainable. Religious people believe in gods that they cannot see or connect with. It is impossible to question faith, therefore it is easy to explain supernaturally.
Supernatural things are all a matter of belief. if you believe in God and you think things happen because God made them happen then you wont believe anything else. IF you believe in the supernatural world then you think things jsut happen because of the bizarre world
I think that supernatural domain relates to the fact that if a person believes strongly enough and long enough that something is true, their mind will tell them that it is true. For example, when the girls in the book act like they are bewitched for that long of a time, their minds may actually believe that they are bewitched, which is what made it so believable.
I agree with Ashley as well, that some people *may* question their religion, but most of the time when they do, they will just find some excuse or answer (which still keeps their own religion in a good light).
rebecka nurse is disreditede by the putnams imediatly. They would rather belive in a something that they can not prove than someone that has seen it beforee.
I think that it's easier for people to fall back on supernatural things because you can't really explain what you can't control. And it is a lot easier to say that supernatural things have happened.
So to example the unknown both just went straight to the supernatural? When most people think supernatural they think that it is nad spirts. If this is true then why did all the elders say that it was. Lauren has a good point but there is no such thing has something having complete control over everything in a persons life. There has to be another way besides supernatural beings that you can blame things on. Allie has a great point about if you go striaght to supernatural things that more people will question more and more. And doesnt that hurt in the long run? Brigit says that people just jumped to fast saying that the people just wanted to blame something or someone on this, but if they waited it out it would have just past bye. Fear is playing a role in things.
i think the town blamed the weird events on witch craft because they wanted to be a perfect town that nothing goes wrong. When something strange does go on they can easly blame it on something else like witch craft and carry on with it takeing the whole town to follow there belifes.
I agree with the comment about religion and how people turn to religion when there's something bothering because it seems to have an answer for everything even the supernatural. People who believe in religion don't question religion so when the girls got caught dancing they knew the people of Salem wouldn't understand what they were trying to do by dancing and they would probably blame it on the devil because it's something their not used to seeing in their ideal puritan society
i think that just like in real life every decision you make you have to give it time and stick with it. if people just quit when things wernt working i dont think we would have the world we had today!
9/11 was a massive attack played by the Taliban, asking for war. Sure we were looking for Osama Bin Laden, but Sadam Hussein was a high ranked leader of the Taliban. The capture of Hussein was a great accomplishment to the on Terrorism because he was a serious threat to the US, even if there was not a direct connection between him and the attacks on 9/11. To whoever believes the government manipulated the war, are you serious? I found that part of the discussion poorly connected with the sources we are discussing.
I think that people reach to the supernatural domain all the time in order to explain the unexplainable. This is shown in both books. In the crucible it is shown mainly when the girls are sick and the town goes crazy over a rumor of which craft when in reality its simply a illness and a rumor some girls make up to get some attention and get out of trouble. in the village the supernatural in used to decieve the people into staying in the village and not going to the woods or through the towns.
I think that people reach to the supernatural domain all the time in order to explain the unexplainable. This is shown in both books. In the crucible it is shown mainly when the girls are sick and the town goes crazy over a rumor of which craft when in reality its simply a illness and a rumor some girls make up to get some attention and get out of trouble. in the village the supernatural in used to decieve the people into staying in the village and not going to the woods or through the towns.
Evil is different for everyone but i think that in the societies in The Crucible and The Village their definitions of evil are similar bcause they have similar beliefs and values.
evil i dont think can have an exact definition, it all depends on your belief and your culture.
I agree. People see evil as things they're not used to seeing or things they fear. The people living in the town of Salem probably weren't used to seeing girls chanting and dancing and they saw it as an evil thing but nowadays people dance all the time and it doesn't mean they're evil of conjuring spirits. Instead of investigating what was really going on they chose the easy way out of things by just saying it was witchcraft and I think it was mostly because they just wanted to get out of the way as quickly as possible because it was affecting their society, which they saw as prefect almost.
Originally, in the Crucible, I do not believe that the original intent was to hurt others. It was just to prevent the girls from getting in trouble. Later on, I believe that people like Paris and Abigail manipulated others just for their own personal gain.
I think that in The Crucible it is much easier for people to pick out evil than good because people are acting suspicious, getting sick, and actually admitting to whichcraft just so they could live. Those are pretty strong reasons to see evil in people but i dont think that they looked for good in people as hard as they could have. and example is john proctor. even though he did cheat and didn't go to church everyday he still had good personality traits and im sure their were many things they could have seen in him.
In response to the inner circle question: I don't think that evil is really always intended to hurt someone, but it is used to control or manipulate people, just like Abigail did in the Crucible. I agree with Hannah in that people make things a lot worse than they really are, or need to be, because of their religion.
It's obvious that the definition of evil varies from person to person and culture to culture. Overall, any action could be viewed as evil by someone somewhere in the world. In retrospect, there seems to be one universal definition of whats good. Why are we able to define things as good, but unable to come up with a universal definition of evil? Is "good" really so easily limited and "evil" so easily dubbed without boundaries?
I agree with whoever said that evil depends on what you know and what you have grown up with. This can go back to my earlier comment on terrorism. In America we consider terrorism evil but someone who has grown up there whole life being told that americans are the devil and that there duty is to destroy them does not think that what they are doing is evil. So it has to do with what you have been told and what morals have been planted in you while growning up.
To go off of Kayla's question, people always want to be the one in the spotlight, and people will do anything to be in the spotlight. Even having people hurt. I think that is what Racheal L is trying to show. Hannah says how since everyone sees evil differently so the being hurt is just a prove of that.
I agree with the point made about how not everyone who is considered evil is intending to be evil. Take for example in The Village, where the Elders were not intending to be evil, they were intending to make a better society without murder, etc. They were using peace as a destination of evil, which usually does not work.
An interesting idea was brought up when someone asked if evil means there was malicious intent to hurt people. I don't think there was actual intent to hurt people in either story. In The Crucible the girls did not plan to hurt anyone, it just happened. Abigail took advantage of the situation and started to manipulat people and began acting evil. In The Village I don't think anyone wanted to hurt anyone. The whole town was created to avoid violence and harm. I don't think Noah meant to hurt Lucius. He was not mentally stable and he didn't know any better. He loved Ivy and acted wrongly, but I don't think there was malicious intent. I think Walker had good intentions but didn't execute his plans well because it is impossible to run away from bad things.
I think Noah was a lot smarter than he seems but i do not think he was evil. I agree that he did love Ivy and i think he was just jealous
Once people living in the village see that Ivy has gone through the woods and come back with more modern medicine that can cure things they can't cure with the resources they have, will people start to ask question and head into the woods themselves?
Walker was not evil. I would have to agree with Kasey in that Walker was looking for the best intent for the others in the town.
Jesse made a great point having Noah most-like Abigail because he did commit an act of evil, even if those were not his attentions. I also agreed with those that thought Walker was not an evil person. You cant blame somebody who has gone through as much as him, for try to create a perfect society.
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